Transcript from Money Tree Discussion SL5B Physical 7am 6/28/08

[6:58]  Traven: Hello Vide
[6:58]  VS: Hi Traven
[6:59]  Traven: Are you here for the money tree or the forum talking about it? :)
[6:59]  VS: The forum.
[7:00]  Traven: by all means please take a seat then :)
[7:00]  VS: tx
[7:01]  Traven: we'll start in a couple minutes - with SL being a pain with TP's today :)
[7:01]  SA: hello Traven
[7:01]  Traven: Welcome Sondra :)
[7:01]  SA: thx for inviting :)
[7:01]  VS: Don't hurry on my account; I may be off getting breakfast anyway...
[7:02]  Traven: LOL!
[7:02]  Traven: Welcome MarkByron
[7:03]  MF: thought it was yesterday - glad I didn't miss it
[7:03]  MF: are you using voice?
[7:03]  IM: Second Life: User not online - message will be stored and delivered later.
[7:04]  Traven: I was going to see how many were using voice on arival before deciding that
[7:04]  Traven: likely I'll type most of it
[7:05]  MF: i enabled it but I can only listen
[7:05]  Traven: I will however be posting a transcript of this discussion to the Money Tree website at http://moneytree.wolfhavenproductions.com
[7:05]  MF: cool
[7:05]  SA: yes, sounds good
[7:05]  Traven: Money Trees have been in Second Life since 2003
[7:06]  Traven: The Original Money Tree was created by Sapphire Bombay of Bravo Bravo
[7:06]  Traven: it was an ingenious creation and one that soon became very popular all over SL.
[7:06]  Traven: The original Money Tree worked by drawing directly on the owners Stipend funds
[7:07]  Traven: it took precisely L$500 from the owner for newbies to pick from the tree.
[7:07]  Traven: The owner - or others - could also donate to the tree to supplement those funds.
[7:07]  Traven: Welcome Tiberies :)
[7:07]  Traven: Tiberius*
[7:07]  TB: hi "the legend" Traven Sachs....
[7:07]  TB: hi all
[7:08]  Traven: in 2005 Linden Labs made a decision to eliminate stipend from free accounts
[7:08]  Traven: they also decided to reduce the stipend of premium accounts from L$500 to L$300
[7:09]  Traven: When I contacted Sapphire and asked if she could make a tree that ONLY took donations - she declined to do so.
[7:09]  Traven: That is where I stepped in.
[7:09]  Traven: I made my own money tree
[7:09]  Traven: As a result people seeing MY version of the tree started asking questions about it
[7:09]  Traven: as well as whether or not I'd decide to sell it to others
[7:09]  Traven: after much cajoling I decided to do so
[7:10]  Traven: In January of 2006 I released version 2 of the Wolhfaven Money Tree to the SL Market for L$1
[7:10]  Traven: I also gave them away to whomever asked
[7:10]  Traven: One thing folks kept asking me for was the ability to 'know' where the trees were in SL.
[7:11]  Traven: I didn't figure that in to my plans right away.
[7:11]  Traven: .
[7:11]  Traven: In May of 2006 I was contacted by someone telling me that someone was using a money tree as a scamming device.
[7:12]  Traven: Upon investigation it turned out he'd essentially 'cloned' the look of my tree through photoediting and it was designed to ONLY take money
[7:12]  Traven: http://moneytree.wolfhavenproductions.com
[7:12]  Traven: its online :)
[7:12]  MF: ahh okay, thanks
[7:13]  Traven: a discussion with Linden Labs and a DMCA takedown notice later and the scammer was squelched.
[7:13]  Traven: A short time after that event, Sapphire Bombay contacted me asking me to stop selling my Wolfhaven Money Tree.
[7:14]  Traven: Since mine was functionally different - and visibly different - I declined to do so.
[7:14]  Traven: She couldn't copyright "Money Tree"
[7:14]  Traven: and since my version was the Wolfhaven Money Tree - well - there wasn't much to be done there except argue.
[7:14]  Traven: I again asked if she'd release one purely donation driven
[7:15]  Traven: again she declined.
[7:15]  Traven: Since 2007 I have been promising to release a newer version of the Money Tree
[7:16]  Traven: and at the beginning of may I released the v4.0 Trees with the Golden Apple program.
[7:16]  Traven: Is anyone here unfamiliar with the Golden Apple program?
[7:16]  SA: no, your gA programm is a very good idea, btw
[7:16]  Traven: ty
[7:17]  Traven: essentially the Golden Apple can appear on ANY tree that opts into the program
[7:17]  Traven: 5% of alldonations to golden apple trees goes into the pot
[7:17]  Traven: and when it appears - the lucky person that picks it gets it all :)
[7:17]  Traven: There have been 24 golden apples given out thus far
[7:18]  SA: wow
[7:18]  Traven: Now... plans for the future - where to go next with the Money Tree.
[7:18]  TB: ;)) cool
[7:18]  Traven: One thing - simple really - that I plan on doing - is having the Golden Apple winners receive an award token
[7:19]  Traven: a trophy with a small golden apple on it that says they won
[7:19]  Traven: I am also going to be adding a Golden Apple winners list to the website.
[7:19]  TB: a trophy ....LOL
[7:19]  Traven: so that folks can get their names into the 'hall of fame' so to speak.
[7:19]  VS: What was the average amount of the 24 awards to date? Max? Min?
[7:19]  Traven: smallest payment so far was 116L
[7:20]  Traven: largest was over 3.6k
[7:20]  TB: woooww
[7:20]  SA: woooow
[7:20]  VS: Wow. Tx.
[7:20]  Traven: average is about 400-450L
[7:20]  SA: very nice for newbies
[7:20]  Traven: indeed
[7:20]  Traven: I am currently only allowing GA Trees onto the website
[7:21]  Traven: I was considering allowing the other tree owners the same privldege but with the distinction of NOT being listed as GA Trees.
[7:21]  SA: what about a second list?
[7:21]  Traven: i.e. either a seperate page - OR having a flag next to trees with Golden Apple active
[7:21]  SA: gg... ok
[7:21]  Traven: Any thoughts on that?
[7:21]  TB: because I beginn again, as a newbie ;))
[7:21]  Traven: LOL!
[7:22]  Traven: yes that was another thing that folks would tell me about over the past three years
[7:22]  Traven: Newbies makeing new newbies where their time ran out
[7:22]  Traven: it was one of the reasons I made the v4 trees more flexible to allow up to 60 days if the owner wanted
[7:23]  SA: mmmh... I think that`s not really a problem
[7:23]  TB: good idea 60
[7:23]  MF: I do have a suggestion for the master list on your website - perhaps sort the list by donated amount
[7:23]  Traven: There will come a point in SL's life where we'll (the content creators) be able to track users by their IP Address - just like a website can.
[7:23]  SA: I think we have really enough controls
[7:23]  Traven: at that point I'm guessing that tree owners will appeal to me to add that feature somehow.
[7:24]  MF: well it's certainly a problem I had - an army of alts (even bots) raiding the tree
[7:24]  Traven: its been one of the biggest problems in SL for various reasons - that free accounts can be so easily made - not just where the trees are concerned - but for other reasons as well.
[7:24]  Traven: but thats another discussion.
[7:24]  Traven: LOL!
[7:25]  TB: nothing is safe....ip scanning...i dont believe
[7:25]  MF: Unfortunately I had to change the tree to require payment info
[7:25]  Traven Sachs shakes his head
[7:25]  SA: yes, but I have met a lot of these old made new newbies and a lot of them have payed their amount just to another tree, so it has kept into the circle again
[7:25]  Traven: yes even IP's can be spoofed
[7:25]  MF: well there might be another way - an alogirthm of sorts to ferret out alts
[7:26]  Traven: Now - your thoughts - ideas - suggestions - what would YOU like to see added to the Wolfhaven Money Tree that you think would make it even more of an attraction?
[7:26]  MF: here's one
[7:26]  MF: you need to require the avatar to be within 20 meters of the tree
[7:26]  MF: or closer
[7:27]  Traven: hmmmm
[7:27]  SA: and then?
[7:27]  MF: require the avatar to type in a code
[7:27]  Traven: excellent suggestion
[7:27]  SA: oh no... I hate this enough on websites
[7:27]  Traven: that way they can't just TP in and nail the tree from anywhere
[7:27]  MF: like /1 777 (some random number)
[7:27]  Traven: no no good sugestion
[7:27]  MF: well there needs to be a way to defeat bots
[7:27]  TB: UUID of the AVA
[7:27]  Traven: have hover text on the tree base with the current code.
[7:27]  TB: and random
[7:27]  Traven: to activate picking for that session
[7:28]  MF: don't want to make it overly hard for the genuine new resident but there's too many alts and bots
[7:28]  TB: black sheb is everywhere.....
[7:28]  Traven: makes sense
[7:28]  MF: and how does a genuine new resident find out about the tree?
[7:29]  Traven: thus far - word of mouth
[7:29]  Traven: would be nice to have a money tree sign at the new user waystations
[7:29]  SA: if you add this function to one of your versions, Traven, then be so kind and make the way that it can be deactivated, too. Please#
[7:29]  Traven: but I've yet to figure out how to accomplish that .
[7:30]  Traven: going forward all functions on the money tree will be owner controllable
[7:30]  TB: NSA in the tree...not so good...
[7:30]  Traven: just as the GA program is OPT IN only
[7:30]  VS: Um, any way to have the trees show up in response to searches for "camping"? I'm tempted to suggest changing the name of the tree for this?
[7:30]  MF: perhaps a portion of the golden apple program can be used for promotion such as classified ad
[7:30]  MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: WhisperSadie Heartsdale (14m)
[7:31]  Traven: I would hesitate to do that only because they are 'not' in fact a camping device
[7:31]  Traven: considering that only newer users can access them
[7:31]  MF: perhaps you could provide an info thing to the SL Mentor group
[7:31]  Traven: explain that Mark?
[7:32]  MF: well the Second Life mentor are a group
[7:32]  Traven: that much I know
[7:32]  MF: and they hang out at the help islands and so forth
[7:32]  MF: if they know about it, they can help newbs
[7:32]  Traven: not a bad idea :)
[7:33]  Traven: not bad at all in fact :)
[7:33]  Traven: any other thoughts or suggestions?
[7:33]  MF: i mentioned it before but sorting your master list on the website
[7:33]  Traven: actually it IS sorted :)
[7:33]  Traven: it rotates based on the times the trees last reported in
[7:34]  Traven: newest at the top
[7:34]  SA: and here is a sorted list with the actually donated tree^^
[7:34]  MF: by amount donated to the GA program <g>
[7:34]  Traven: with a time/date stamp
[7:34]  Traven: in fact trees that are late reporting in are displayed in orange and red at the bottom
[7:34]  Traven: red means they are very close to removal
[7:34]  MF: that's a good idea
[7:35]  MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Rado Arado (14m)
[7:35]  Traven: perhaps a 'sort' function that the person using the website can trigger?
[7:35]  MF: does each tree display the website prominently?
[7:35]  SA: why should them?
[7:35]  Traven: you mean the actual URL for the site?
[7:35]  Traven: no
[7:35]  MF: iso they know where to find other trees :)
[7:35]  MF: i didn't know
[7:35]  Traven: but if someone clicks the info column on the tree they are given the notecard
[7:35]  Traven: which comes from my server :)
[7:36]  SA: lol... using the search function has a very helping function, btw^^
[7:36]  Traven: search?
[7:36]  Traven: you mean inworld?
[7:36]  SA: sure
[7:36]  Traven: yes the trees all show up on it by default
[7:37]  SA: how many creators are working on a mt actually, you, Saphire and?
[7:38]  Traven: actually
[7:38]  Traven: Sapphire has retired
[7:38]  Traven: her Golden Ticket program is offline
[7:38]  Traven: and her existing Money Trees in world are slowly being replaced
[7:38]  SA: hehe... yours is more popular
[7:38]  Traven: I know of two others
[7:39]  Traven: one created by someone that isn't selling it
[7:39]  Traven: because he wants his to be unique
[7:39]  Traven: and it does some unique things
[7:39]  Traven: and another that is called The Little Money Tree
[7:39]  SA: never heard
[7:39]  Traven: which doesn't really spawn new bills
[7:39]  Traven: they're flexi and attached to the tree
[7:39]  Traven: so they wave in the wind
[7:40]  Traven: its not limited to newbies though and not very popular
[7:40]  Traven: there is of course - also Money Tree Island
[7:40]  Traven: but they don't use a Money Tree per say
[7:40]  Traven: just have a HUGE tree in the island middle that rains dollar bills.
[7:40]  MF: one other suggestion - can you make it so it requires a 1 minute delay between picking fruit?
[7:40]  Traven: a delay on picking per person mark or a general delay?
[7:41]  MF: per person
[7:41]  SA: I think Mark, you`ll need a very specific version^^
[7:41]  MF: so if a person comes and there's lot of fruit to be picked
[7:41]  TB: ;))
[7:41]  MF: they can't immediately pick it all
[7:41]  MF: they have to wait x amount of time between picks
[7:42]  TB: your SIM is to lagggy ...;))
[7:42]  Traven: interesting thought
[7:42]  Traven: could also be adjustable by the owner
[7:42]  Traven: this sim tiberius?
[7:42]  TB: no....Mark's
[7:42]  Traven: LOL!
[7:42]  SA: ;))
[7:42]  MF: my sim? doubt it
[7:43]  MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Space Linden (19m)
[7:43]  Traven: every time I glance over at Marks avatar the Annie Lennox song "Little Bird" pops into my head
[7:43]  MF: AH HAHAHAHA
[7:43]  TB: ;))
[7:43]  SA: lol
[7:43]  TB: yeahh thats true
[7:44]  MF: help if the sit target for these chairs were adjustable for tinies
[7:44]  Traven: lol sorry Mark
[7:44]  Traven: my fault I didn't account for that ;)
[7:44]  TB: hee Marke take it easy....
[7:44]  SA: not sitting, just standing, Mark ^^
[7:44]  TB: its a jook
[7:44]  Traven: in brief - coming soon
[7:44]  MF:    ...Hahaha...
[7:45]  TB: ;))
[7:45]  Traven: the wolfhaven websites will have attached forums for the money trees as well as other wolfhaven products
[7:45]  Traven: I will likely release the 'next' version of the trees around December. (unless someone finds a horrible bug)
[7:46]  SA: what about a mt scanner in form of a shoulder pet for newbies? only a thought^^
[7:46]  Traven: and the december version will have an optional Christmas theme to them
[7:46]  MF: will it auto update?
[7:46]  Traven: yes
[7:46]  Traven: the v4 trees autoupdate
[7:46]  TB: wow...not bad
[7:46]  MF: cool
[7:46]  Traven: since they all report into the website via an inworld relay system
[7:47]  VS: Thanks for the presentation/discussion, Traven!! (not trying to discourage continuing, but I gotta boogie soon)
[7:47]  Traven: the mt scanner shoulder pet is a great idea Sondra - but not one I need pursue - between sl's search engine and the fact that they're listed on a website - they can see where they are
[7:47]  Traven: it would be a great novelty item though
[7:47]  Traven: in any event folks that is a wrap
[7:47]  MF: lets end in prayer
[7:47]  Traven: however I have a gift for each of you
[7:47]  MF: Our Lindens, who art in the Labs,
[7:47]  Traven: :)
[7:47]  SA: yes, a little fun item with a function ;)
[7:47]  MF: Hallowed be thy prims.
[7:48]  MF: Thy Grid-dom come, thy will be done,
[7:48]  MF: On sims, as it is in The Preview.
[7:48]  MF: Give us this day our daily crash,
[7:48]  MF: And forgive us our Spammery.
[7:48]  MF: As we forgive those, who greif against us
[7:48]  MF: And lead us not, into private parcels.
[7:48]  MF: Amen.
[7:48]  Traven: mark check your trash folder
[7:48]  Traven: LOL
[7:48]  TB: LOL
[7:49]  Traven: just a small thank you for coming out today :)
[7:49]  SA: cool... thank you very much Traven
[7:49]  TB: wow very cool thank you...
[7:49]  MF: i had to set busy because of gruop IMs
[7:49]  Traven: you retrieve it mark?
[7:49]  SA: you`re too busy, dear Mark
[7:49]  TB: ;))
[7:49]  MF: yep got it . no group IMs are a pain in the ass
[7:49]  Traven: I agree
[7:50]  Traven: we should have a flag to turn THOSE off
[7:50]  Traven: LOL!
[7:50]  SA: lol... delete group^^
[7:50]  Traven: I don't mind the occassional notice
[7:50]  Traven: but the IM's - gah
[7:50]  MF: well the Nicholaz client allows you to filter group IMs out but I'm using the RC at the moment
[7:50]  Traven: Thank you ALL for coming :)
[7:50]  TB: lol a littel ass with great pain....oh my godness
[7:50]  MF: thank you
[7:50]  Traven: I'll post this transcript as soon as I clean it up
[7:50]  Rado Arado: thanks
[7:50]  SA: thank you for inviting, Traven
[7:50]  VS: ty
[7:50]  TB: thx....
[7:51]  MarkByron Falta gave you Griefer Tester Full Perms.
[7:51]  MF: deleting all the chairs, eh?
[7:52]  TB: its too expensiv....
[7:52]  SA: lol
[7:52]  TB: ;))
[7:52]  SA: yeah... back to nature^^
[7:52]  Traven: hehehe
[7:52]  TB: ;))
[7:52]  Traven: don't need the extra prims out
[7:52]  Traven: was bleeding edge for this parcel LOL!
[7:52]  chrissa Demina: hello
[7:52]  SA: we`re only joking^^
[7:53]  Traven: All of you have a great day
[7:53]  SA: you too, Traven
[7:53]  TB: yeep you 2
[7:53]  TB: ok lets makit newbies....
[7:54]  TB: ;))
[7:54]  SA: loool
[7:54]  SA: bye Traven, it has been nice to met you again
[7:55]  Traven: tc sondra

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